Why not Wrexham?

[moynkeepthefaith]

Originally Posted by techender

On this forum such a vote may be close, but take it to the wider fan base and I have no doubt the majority would vote in favour.

There are still many who don't believe in trust ownership and another good chunk who have had enough of bouncing around mid table of the National league with little hope of that ever changing.

Looking at attendances since WST ownership I would disagree. I can remember the days when we were seriously challenging in League one and still struggling to attract 3000. As I have said previously I believe the Wrexham fan base feels an affinity with the model.
I honestly don't know if I want Sheik your Wallet out to invest billions in my club and take me on a journey not possible under WST but I do will also not deride the model having lived through the Hamilton era. As ever life is not simple and those who want the ownership model back seem to miss the fact that this takes control completely out of our hands and next stop may be LEGOLAND. On the other hand WST may condemn us to a life in the conference or god forbid even lower. For fear of being called a nodding dog I support the fans ownership but I accept that it has its limits but I for one at this current moment prefer it to the alternatives - which by the way do not even exist at present.

[sparky]

Originally Posted by Alan Attack

To understand the position we're in, you have to look backwards. Being separated from the stadium and land will seriously deter any investors. There's nothing to invest in.

I've got no issues with people judging us by our on-field performances. That's football, after all.

But you have to consider when we were considered to be successful between say 95 and 2005; where did our money come from to pay the likes of Fergie or the lads from Trinidad. The only serious money we received was for Yozza and I understand that was used to pay off the training ground.

Hunter, Brammer, Bennett, Wainright and Watkin all went for six figure sums. There are probably a couple more I've forgotten about. I also seem to remember the odd cup run.

Anyway, as I've said before, until folk replace the word investor for benefactor it's a pretty pointless discussion.

[podders]

Originally Posted by krux

but those years playing at a higher level are successful seasons though, arent they?

Surely a successful season is promotion or winning a trophy and possibly a good cup run. Years down the line no one cares if we played good football or lost in the play offs or missed out on the play offs by 1pt.

I seem to remember the threads on the webbed robin moaning about the lack of spending on players by Pryce, Fynn's tactics not being good enough and that the club need to be challenging for promotion not sitting mid table in whatever division we where in that season. Of course if we ever got close to the play offs it would be the usual moan of "they don't want to go up".

[Alan Attack]

Originally Posted by sparky

Hunter, Brammer, Bennett, Wainright and Watkin all went for six figure sums. There are probably a couple more I've forgotten about. I also seem to remember the odd cup run.

Anyway, as I've said before, until folk replace the word investor for benefactor it's a pretty pointless discussion.

We made signings ourselves though. If not club call would've been rife with calls if "no ambition".

The point I'm alluding to is we didn't care about money in those days. If Fergie was in thousands a week. If we paid a fee for Lawrence because he could barely stand up in his first season. Add-ons for Brammer or Armstrong. It didn't matter.

[krux]

Originally Posted by podders

Surely a successful season is promotion or winning a trophy and possibly a good cup run. Years down the line no one cares if we played good football or lost in the play offs or missed out on the play offs by 1pt.

I seem to remember the threads on the webbed robin moaning about the lack of spending on players by Pryce, Fynn's tactics not being good enough and that the club need to be challenging for promotion not sitting mid table in whatever division we where in that season. Of course if we ever got close to the play offs it would be the usual moan of "they don't want to go up".

but if we got to the premier league in 4 successive promotions and just stayed there, or the championship say. It would be successful staying there, even if we never won promotion again. wouldn't it?

[Hometown Unicorn]

Originally Posted by Phils-an-alki

I'm not so sure. I think the fans would if the right things were offered and said. Most would have their head turned easily. Also if the WST were in favour and they approved it then that would sway the WST die hards

I feel like the WST would have to trust the deal to make the majority turn over to it. There are many who have been left scarred by what's happened in the past and would be very reluctant to seeing our club being sold to a majority shareholder, me included.

The years we've spent in non league will no doubt sway where some people place their trust however.

[Junior Shabadoo]

Originally Posted by Alan Attack

We made signings ourselves though. If not club call would've been rife with calls if "no ambition".
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That was exactly what happened. There was an attention seeking sponsor who would appear in the Bleader publicly withdrawing his sponsorship every time we made a deadline day sale, and if Moses had space for an eleventh commandment it would probably have said "Thou Shalt Acknowledge That Wrexham Don't Want To Go Up And Don't Come And See You When You're Bad".
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[Ronaldo to Wrexham]

When Moss was selling the club, apart from the WST, who else came in - if memory serves me right Booth, Cleave, Ashley Ward, and Colin Poole all lined up with questionable motives. That nice man Mr Vaughan was apparantly linked too. Whilst WST model may not be perfect, those involved have the clubs interest at heart. Moss, Roberts and Dickens and prior to that Hamilton and Gutterman has shown private ownership has also previously failed us- also see Leyton Orient under Bechetti.

[Alan Attack]

Originally Posted by Ronaldo to Wrexham

When Moss was selling the club, apart from the WST, who else came in - if memory serves me right Booth, Cleave, Ashley Ward, and Colin Poole all lined up with questionable motives. That nice man Mr Vaughan was apparantly linked too. Whilst WST model may not be perfect, those involved have the clubs interest at heart. Moss, Roberts and Dickens and prior to that Hamilton and Gutterman has shown private ownership has also previously failed us- also see Leyton Orient under Bechetti.

Spot on. People forget the "investors" who were sniffing around 7-8 years ago.