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Old 11th February 2018, 14.06:38   #21-0 (permalink)
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Keates is obsessed with clean sheets and in my opinion not much tactical nous.
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Old 11th February 2018, 14.08:28   #22-0 (permalink)
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Unfortunately we are not going to improve until Keates drops Kelly.
Indeed.

It's been proven this season that our best central midfield combination is Wedgebury and Wright; we've all seen this.

Quite what Keates sees in Kelly I don't know; but then again I can't work out why he keeps playing left-footed central midfielders on the left-wing. It's even more baffling considering that Keates' was........a left-footed central midfielder.
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Old 11th February 2018, 14.25:02   #23-0 (permalink)
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I think in being too quick to criticise our team we don't always give the opposition enough credit. Just read Neil Young interview saying how he specifically set the team up to counter what he described as our many threats. If Man city draw at home to someone like Burnley or Brighton is it that they're crap or do you sometimes have to say fair play this team has done a good job negating us.
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For what it's worth I agree with you. The fallout from yesterday's game (especially when contrasted with the over the top reaction to our recent wins) is miles over the top.

This is still a work in progress team. The defence was sorted first. Keates has worked hard to improve the attack. The midfield needs work but we haven't done thatv badly considering it's apparently so useless.Deverdics is a new player and hasnt played or trained much with us yet. It will improve. You can't just buy a load of new players and it be miraculously fixed. This isn't Champ man. ( Admittedly I wasn't there yesterday so I'm just commenting on generalities.)

As for Akil Wright. He s just come back from injury. He s 21 and hasn't played much first team men's football in his career. Id imagine he's just being managed properly rather than just being thrown back into the team with no regard for his development.
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Old 11th February 2018, 14.37:23   #24-0 (permalink)
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For what it's worth I agree with you. The fallout from yesterday's game (especially when contrasted with the over the top reaction to our recent wins) is miles over the top.
The point is that this isn't just a 'fallout' from yesterdays game, its a general problem that has dogged us all season.

3 big games coming up now and we need a fully functioning midfield. I think we are still 1 player short especially if Wright is a longer term option.
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Old 11th February 2018, 14.38:40   #25-0 (permalink)
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We need to go to a 4-2-3-1 - which seems tailor made for our squad with Wedgebury and Wright as the 2 - allowing the front four to bomb on when in posession and to give some bodies in midfield when not
I could even live with Kelly as the centre of the three thought Boden would be better
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The point is that this isn't just a 'fallout' from yesterdays game, its a general problem that has dogged us all season.

3 big games coming up now and we need a fully functioning midfield. I think we are still 1 player short especially if Wright is a longer term option.
In that case what was the love in about last week?

And if it wasn't acknowledged or mentioned before I'd see the point in multiple posts slagging off the team and Keates (and I realise that is only a small.number of people saying that) but it has been mentioned since the start of the season that there are problems with the midfield. Just a few weeks ago some people were fixated on the attack. We signed a midfielder the other week, and a wide player. Maybe give them a chance to bed in?
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For what it's worth I agree with you. The fallout from yesterday's game (especially when contrasted with the over the top reaction to our recent wins) is miles over the top.

This is still a work in progress team. The defence was sorted first. Keates has worked hard to improve the attack. The midfield needs work but we haven't done thatv badly considering it's apparently so useless.Deverdics is a new player and hasnt played or trained much with us yet. It will improve. You can't just buy a load of new players and it be miraculously fixed. This isn't Champ man. ( Admittedly I wasn't there yesterday so I'm just commenting on generalities.)

As for Akil Wright. He s just come back from injury. He s 21 and hasn't played much first team men's football in his career. Id imagine he's just being managed properly rather than just being thrown back into the team with no regard for his development.
Agreed, seems we're in a minority though! Trying to be fair maybe it's easier to be circumspect about how far we've come and what a good position we are in when you're not at every game.
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Keates is obsessed with clean sheets and in my opinion not much tactical nous.
Yeah, because keeping clean sheets is easy and you can just use any old tactics to achieve them. Right.
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Old 11th February 2018, 15.01:29   #29-0 (permalink)
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Quite surprisingly given DKs playing career and his part in our superb midfield when he was a player then our CM problems still continue and go unaddressed.

Yesterdays performance once again underlined this and just like a boxer that dominates the centre of the ring then teams that dominate the centre of midfield are usually the better team.

The amount of space given to the Halifax midfield allowed their number 10 to continually pass the ball around at ease and the equaliser was on the cards.
The manner of the equaliser again showed the lack of urgency in the team to get out of the defensive structure and close down the ball.

Wedgbury for all his attributes is basically a 3rd centre half and is very effective from a defensive perspective but this allows the opposition to dominate the CM and the area of the pitch around the centre circle.

If we are going to continue with a 442 formation then DK needs to make sure it is 442 and not 4132 which is how it seems at the moment.
Unfortunately Deverdics and Kelly were almost anonymous yesterday which compounded the problem even more and with Wright not even on the bench then we had no options.

DK has to address this problem with his last piece of player recruitment. IMO.
If we can see the problem, why can't Keates?. I'm starting to believe Keates does'nt deserve the support he's getting.
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If we can see the problem, why can't Keates?. I'm starting to believe Keates does'nt deserve the support he's getting.
That's harsh and not what I am saying. Given our current position he deserves the support and that has been shown with attendances and BTB.

We are now at a critical stage of the season and we need to be bolder and stronger now - trying to grind out 1-0's isn't going to cut it anymore.
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